Monday, February 25, 2008

The 25 greatest racers in the world

Here are my picks as the top 25 racers to climb into a cockpit.

Rank, Racer, Country, Years, Total
25. Mario Andretti, United States, 1965-1995, 52.00
* 7th highest Indy racer
* 10th ranked U.S. driver
(One of two drivers to score top 10 tens at Monaco, LeMans, Indy and Daytona. Only driver with Formula One title, Indy 500 and Daytona 500 wins on resume)

24. Juan Manuel Fangio, Argentina, 1950-1957, 52.02
* 7th highest Formula One driver
* No. 1 ranked Argentine
(Five Formula One titles in just eight years, two-time Monaco winner and added two 12 Hours at Sebring wins)

23. Henri Pescarolo, France, 1970-1999, 52.06
* 8th highest endurance driver
* No. 2 ranked French driver
(Four time LeMans winner with a 24 Hours at Daytona win as well)

22. Lou Meyer, United States, 1928-1937, 52.44
* 6th highest Indy driver
* No. 9 U.S. driver
(First three-time Indy 500 winner. Also had three AAA titles to his credit)

21. Emerson Fittipaldi, Brazil, 1971-1994, 53.34
* 5th highest Indy driver
* No. 2 driver from Brazil
(A two-time Formula One champion, he switched to Indy car racing and won two Indy 500s and a CART championship)

20. Olivier Gendebien, Germany, 1955-1962, 53.95
* 7th highest endurance racer
* No. 3 German driver
(Won four LeMans titles in a five-year span to go along with two Sebring wins)

19. Wilbur Shaw, United States, 1927-1940, 54.29
* 4th highest Indy driver.
* No. 8 U.S. driver
(Won three Indy 500s, along with three second place finishes, and added two AAA titles)

18. Bobby Allison, United States, 1968-1988, 54.53
* Third highest NASCAR driver
* No. 7 U.S. driver
(Two Daytona 500 wins and three runner up finishes plus one Winston Cup title)

17. Stirling Moss, United Kingdom, 1953-1961, 56.17
* 6th ranked Formula One driver
* No. 4 from the United Kingdom
(Three time Monaco winner was twice runner up at LeMans. Also finished in top three in Formula One championship -- but never first -- for seven straight years)

16. Rick Mears, United States, 1979-1991, 56.93
* 3rd ranked Indy car driver
* No. 6 U.S. driver
(One of three four-time Indy 500 winners. Also had three CART titles)

15. Emanuele Pirro, Italy, 1991-2007, 57.18
* No. 6 endurance driver
* No. 1 Italian driver
(Five LeMans wins and four third-place finishes in the past nine years. Added a Sebring title in 2007)

14. Frank Biela, Germany, 1999-2007, 58.20
* No. 5 endurance driver
* No. 2 German driver
(Five wins at LeMans to go along with four at Sebring)

13. Jackie Stewart, United Kingdom, 1965-1973, 58.59
* No. 5 Formula One driver
* No. 3 driver from United Kingdom
(Three Monaco wins and three Formula One titles in nine years. Also recorded top 10s at LeMans and Indianapolis)

12. Cale Yarborough, United States, 1965-1987, 60.72
* No. 2 NASCAR driver
* No. 5 driver from U.S.
(Four Daytona 500 wins and three Winston Cup titles. Also one of rare NASCAR drivers to compete outside of NASCAR with one top 10 at Indy to his credit)

11. Al Unser, United States, 1965-1992, 62.05
* No. 2 Indy car driver
* No. 4 driver from U.S.
(Four Indy 500 wins with three CART titles and a win at 24 Hours of Daytona. Also one fourth place finish in Daytona 500)

10. Tom Kristensen, Denmark, 1997-2006, 63.84
* No. 4 endurance racer
* No. 1 driver from Denmark
(All-time leading LeMans winner with seven, including six in a row. Also has four Sebring wins)

9. Phil Hill, United States, 1958-1964, 64.37
* No. 3 endurance racer
* No. 3 driver from U.S.
(Won three LeMans titles, two Sebring races and a 24 Hours at Daytona. Also won a Formula One title and was top three at Monaco three times)

8. Derek Bell, United Kingdom, 1972-1996, 65.14
* No. 2 endurance racer
* No. 2 driver from United Kingdom
(Six time winner at LeMans and a top 10 finisher there 16 times. Also won three 24 Hours at Daytona races)

7. Alain Prost, France, 1982-1993, 67.12
* No. 4 Formula One driver
* No. 1 driver from France
(Won four Monaco titles and four Formula One titles in 12 seasons)

6. Ayrton Senna, Brazil, 1984-1993, 69.98
* No. 3 Formula One driver
* No. 1 driver from Brazil
(Three time Formula One champion. Won six times at Monaco, including his last five before being killed at age 34)

5. Jacky Ickx, Belgium, 1968-1985, 70.78
* No. 1 endurance racer
* No. 1 driver from Belgium
(Six LeMans wins to go along with two at Sebring and one at 24 Hours of Daytona. Also competed in Formula One, finishing in top three at Monaco in 1971 and 1972 and finishing in top three of Formula One championship from 1968 to 1972)

4. Michael Schumacher, Germany, 1992-2006, 77.35
* No. 2 Formula One driver
* No. 1 German driver
(His six Monaco wins and seven Formula One series championships are both records. Perhaps had more wins in him but retired in 2006 at just 37)

3. Richard Petty, United States, 1960-1987, 79.77
* No. 1 NASCAR driver
* No. 2 driver from U.S.
(Most dominant single series driver ever. Won seven Daytona 500s and seven Winston Cups. Finished in top 10 at Daytona 17 times and was in top three of season series 15 times)

2. Graham Hill, United Kingdom, 1958-1974, 81.65
* No. 1 Formula One driver
* No. 1 driver from United Kingdom
(Won five times at Monaco and claimed two Formula One championships. Also won 24 Hours at LeMans and the Indianapolis 500 making him the only driver to win racing's "Triple Crown")

1. A.J. Foyt, United States, 1959-1992, 87.69
* No. 1 Indy car driver
* No. 1 from U.S.
(First four-time Indy 500 winner and only driver to win Indy and Daytona 500s along with 24 Hours at LeMans. Claimed six CART titles from 1960 to 1975 and later in his career tacked on two wins at 24 Hours of Daytona and one at Sebring. In 1967, became the first and still only driver to win two -- Indy and LeMans -- of racing's big four races in same year. He added a CART title that season)

World's greatest racers, part III

Now we start getting in to some of the big, big names in auto racing in the past 95 years. Here are the No. 50 down to No. 26 greatest racecar drivers in the world.

Rank, racer, country, years, points
50. Fernando Alonso, Spain, 2003-2007, 41.19
49. Luigi Chinetti, Italy, 1932-1951, 42.08
48. Rinaldo Capello, Italy, 1999-2006, 42.51
47. Jim Clark, United Kingdom, 1959-1967, 43.12
46. Klaus Ludwig, Germany, 1979-1988, 43.31
45. Gordon Johncock, United States, 1965-1991, 43.33
44. Bill Elliott, United States, 1978-2001, 43.53
43. Al Unser Jr., United States, 1983-2003, 44.91
42. Dale Jarrett, United States, 1991-2006, 45.11
41. Al Holbert, United States, 1976-1987, 45.17
40. Hans Joachim Stuck, Germany, 1976-1996, 45.37
39. Jody Scheckter, South Africa, 1974-1979, 45.45
38. Rodger Ward, United States, 1956-1964, 45.51
37. Denny Hulme, Australia, 1965-1973, 45.63
36. Niki Lauda, Austria, 1974-1984, 45.87
35. Hurley Haywood, United States, 1973-1994, 46.33
34. Dale Earnhardt, United States, 1979-2000, 46.54
33. Jeff Gordon, United States, 1993-2007, 47.10
32. Bruce McLaren, Australia, 1959-1969, 48.09
31. Marco Werner, Germany, 2002-2007, 48.63
30. Mauri Rose, United States, 1934-1950, 48.83
29. Johnny Rutherford, United States, 1963-1986, 48.88
28. Maurice Trintignant, France, 1953-1961, 50.45
27. Yannick Dalmas, France, 1988-2002, 51.15
26. Bobby Unser, United States, 1966-1981, 51.17

Now it's getting tough. Johncock was a two-time Indy winner. Jarrett won three Daytona 500s and two winston Cups and he's behind Dale Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon in this group. I'd never heard of Hurley Haywood, but he's one of the top endurance racers ever to come out of the U.S. He won three LeMans races, two 12 Hours at Sebrings and four 24 Hours at Daytonas. Maurice Trintignant won twice at Monaco and once at LeMans, and Bobby Unser was a three-time Indy 500 winner.

Sunday, February 24, 2008

Greatest racecar driver in the world, take two


In my first post I explained how the yearly point totals worked but not how I add them up for a ranking. I use the same 3, 6, 10 and career system as in my other rankings.

To show how, I'll break down the career of one of the most versatile drivers ever -- Dan Gurney.

Gurney scored points in my system in 11 years from 1959 to 1970.

His best year, in terms of points, was 1967 when he recorded his only win among the four biggest races in the world, the 24 Hours at LeMans with A.J. Foyt. He did not score in any other category.

In 1963, he took fifth in the Daytona 500 (six points) and seventh in the Indianapolis 500 (four points) for 10 points for the year.

His third best year was a tie for 1968 and 1969 when he was runnerup at Indianapolis for nine points each. So his ranking for top 3 years was 20 + 10 + 9 divided by 3 for 13.0 points.

I used those top three years, added 1968's 9 points for Indy and then 1970 when he was third at Indy (8 points) and 1961 when Gurney took fifth at the Grand Prix of Monaco (6 points) and fourth in the Formula One series (1 point).

So his six best years were 20 + 10 + 9 + 9 + 8 + 7 divided by 6 for a score of 10.5 points.

For his best 10 years he had an average of 7.7 and his total career points, which included bonus points for winning the 12 Hours at Sebring and 24 Hours at Daytona I divided by 25 for a score of 3.1. Why 25? A.J. Foyt scored points in an incredible 25 years between 1959 and 1993 so he sets the standard.

Although the system rewards drivers like Gurney who went out and tried to win races outside their comfort zone -- Gurney and Mario Andretti are the only drivers to record top 10 finishes in Monaco, LeMans, Indy and Daytona -- it rewards winning even more. Even though Gurney was a threat at all four events for 12 years, he won just one so he's ranked a somewhat pedestrian 68th.

So now that you know a little bit more, here are the No. 75 through No. 51 greatest racecar drivers ever.

Rank, racer, country, years, points
75. Jack Brabham, Australia, 1957-1970, 33.49
74. Ted Horn, United States, 1936-1948, 33.62
72. Buddy Baker, United States, 1969-1988, 33.71
72. Andy Wallace, United Kingdom, 1988-2006, 33.71
71. Andre Rossignol, France, 1923-1928, 34.09
70. Michael Waltrip, United States, 1990-2003, 34.15
68. Jimmy Bryan, United States, 1952-1958, 34.32
68. Dan Gurney, United States, 1959-1970, 34.32
67. Gerard Larrousse, France, 1969-1974, 34.73
66. Michele Alboreto, Italy, 1981-2001, 34.82
65. Helio Castroneves, Brazil, 2001-2006, 35.04
64. Benny Parsons, United States, 1969-1987, 35.16
63. Gijs van Lennap, Netherlands, 1971-1976, 35.35
62. Bobby Rahal, United States, 1981-1995, 35.49
61. J.J. Lehto, Finland, 1992-2005, 36.85
60. Arie Luyendyk, Netherlands, 1985-1998, 36.97
59. Tommy Milton, United States, 1920-1927, 37.29
58. Sterling Marlin, United States, 1980-2005, 37.91
57. Darrell Waltrip, United States, 1974-1997, 37.95
56. Juan Pablo Montoya, Colombia, 1999-2008, 38.39
55. Woolf Barnato, United Kingdom, 1928-1930, 38.40
54. Tom Sneva, United States, 1976-1984, 38.58
53. David Pearson, United States, 1962-1984, 38.59
52. David Coulthard, United Kingdom, 1995-2006, 39.00
51. Tazio Nuvolari, Italy, 1932-1936, 39.99

Saturday, February 23, 2008

Who was the greatest racecar driver in the world?


A few weeks ago I posted the ultimate NASCAR race, grids 1 through 43.

Richard Petty took the top spot naturally, but of course a NASCAR ranking wouldn't include two of the biggest names in U.S. auto racing -- A.J. Foyt and Mario Andretti.

Both Foyt and Andretti won Daytona 500s but spent the vast majority of the careers in open-wheel racing, chasing titles world wide.

So I started thinking about how to rank racers in Indy Car with NASCAR and Formula One. Even with the explosion of NASCAR in the U.S., the Formula One series title remains the most coveted in the world.

On the other hand, U.S. open wheel actually has the longest running series championship if you trace Champ Car -- which thankfully merged with the Indy Racing League to hopefully save open-wheel in the U.S. -- all the way back. It's evolved from the AAA series that actually was going on before the Indianapolis race became a 500-miler, to USAC, to CART and finally to Champ Car/IRL.

But the series title meant little. When people look at A.J. Foyt's career, they mention the four Indy 500 wins, the Daytona 500 and his 24 Hours of LeMans wins. Very few rank his six USAC series titles among his greatest accomplishments.

So the series titles aren't of equal stature and drivers can't drive more than one circuit a year, so you don't see the best worldwide squaring off.

Where you do occasionally see the best going head-to-head is in the most historic races. Doing a little research I found that Formula One's Grand Prix of Monaco, endurance racing's 24 Hours of LeMans and the Indianapolis 500 are considered the Triple Crown of Auto Racing.

For my rankings, though, I'm adding a fourth to the list -- the Daytona 500. Although it doesn't have the history as the other three, the first Daytona 500 was in 1959 -- it has surpassed the Indy 500 as the top race in the U.S., again thanks to NASCAR's growth.

So I based my rankings on golf, which centers around the four majors for men and women. The winning driver of the above four races received 20 points, with second place worth nine, third place eight and on down to 10th place receiving a point.

I didn't totally disregard season-long results. The Formula One title is the most prestigious in the world. Winning it is worth six bonus points, second in the series gets three, third is worth two and fourth place earns a point.

NASCAR, even though it hasn't been around as long, has long been considered a more prestigious series than open-wheel in the U.S. The fact that Dale Earnhardt won seven Winston Cups is central to his reputation. So the Grand National/Winston/Nextel Cup is worth five points to the winner, two to second and third gets a point.

The various open-wheel series championships were worth four points to the winner and one point to second place. During the Champ/IRL split, though, the winner of each series received two points.

Endurance racing has had just a handful of season series even worth mentioning. Truthfully, beyond LeMans, the 12 hour at Sebring and 24 hours at Daytona races are bigger than any series. The winners of those races each year received two points.

A few points for the ranking:

* It was tilted ever so slightly toward Formula One. A Monaco Grand Prix win and Formula One series title is worth 26 points. A Daytona 500 and Nextel Cup championship is worth 25. An Indy 500 and AAA/USAC/CART/IRL at most was worth 24 and if you swept the endurance "Triple Crown" of LeMans, Sebring and Daytona, that was worth 24 points.

* Endurance racers had a slight advantage overall. Because of the length of the races, teams use between two and four drivers. That means there's a lot more points available each year to endurance racers. You could win as many points being the No. 4 driver at LeMans as being the lone winner at Monaco.

* One-series wonders had to really, really dominate to get near the top. This really limits NASCAR drivers because that series is so full very, very few over the years have ventured outside NASCAR. You'll see what I mean as the standings unfold.

* Modern drivers have an advantage because safety equipment is so much better. Who knows what a guy like Bill Vukovich would have accomplished if he hadn't been killed dominating the Indy 500 after winning two straight in the 1950s?

I'll release the top 100 over the next four nights. In reverse order, here are the No. 100 down to No. 76 greatest auto racers worldwide.

Rank, racer, country, years, points
100. Geoff Bodine, United States, 1984-2000, 29.71
99. Bob Wollek, France, 1977-1998, 29.82
98. Allan McNish, United Kingdom, 1998-2006, 29.87
97. Eddie Cheever, United States, 1981-2002, 29.96
96. Mauro Baldi, Italy, 1983-2002, 30.01
95. Paul Frere, Belgium, 1955-1960, 30.53
94. Michael Andretti, United States, 1983-2006, 30.63
93. Buddy Lazier, United States, 1996-2004, 30.81
92. Hans Herrman, Germany, 1958-1970, 30.88
91. Jimmie Johnson, United States, 2003-2007, 30.89
90. Jimmy Murphy, United States, 1920-1924, 30.95
89. Jim Rathmann, United States, 1952-1962, 31.07
88. Jacques Villeneuve, Canada, 1993-2001, 31.07
87. Ronnie Peterson, Sweden, 1970-1978, 31.17
86. Vern Schuppan, Australia, 1975-1984, 31.91
85. Mika Hakkinen, Finland, 1994-2000, 31.95
84. Lorenzo Bandini, Italy, 1962-1967, 32.01
83. Rudolf Caracciola, Germany, 1929-1939, 32.09
82. Nigel Mansell, United Kingdom, 1982-1993, 32.24
81. Jochen Rindt, Austria, 1965-1970, 32.31
80. Fred Lorenzen, United States, 1960-1971, 32.35
79. Raymond Sommer, France, 1932-1950, 32.53
78. Jan Lammers, Netherlands, 1980-2005, 32.75
77. Nelson Piquet, Brazil, 1979-1996, 32.77
76. Jean-Pierre Jaussaud, France, 1973-1980, 33.17

Sunday, February 17, 2008

Newman wins Daytona, moves into all-time Daytona field


Ryan Newman's 13th win was a lucky one -- the Daytona 500.

The five points he receives in my system for winning Daytona plus the one point for winning a race was enough to move him into the top 43 racers in NASCAR history.

The person he knocked out of the all-time race is still active -- Kevin Harvick -- so he may make his way back in. The guy on the cut line is Ernie Irvan. Here is the updated starting grid for the all-time NASCAR race.

Pole pos., Racer, Total
1. Richard Petty, 119.68
2. Dale Earnhardt, 92.16
3. Cale Yarborough, 86.59
4. Darell Waltrip, 84.33
5. Jeff Gordon, 80.00
6. David Pearson, 76.66
7. Bobby Allison, 72.36
8. Lee Petty, 67.11
9. Bill Elliott, 66.64
10. Herb Thomas, 65.13
11. Jimmie Johnson, 61.87
12. Dale Jarrett, 60.94
13. Buck Baker, 58.67
14. Ned Jarrett, 57.72
15. Tim Flock, 57.47
16. Tony Stewart, 52.14
17. Terry Labonte, 50.50
18. Mark Martin, 49.90
19. Benny Parsons, 49.75
20. Joe Weatherly, 42.90
21. Bobby Labonte, 41.53
22. Bobby Isaac, 39.26
23. Rex White, 38.27
24. Fireball Roberts, 38.00
25. Matt Kenseth, 37.37
26. Harry Gant, 36.29
27. Fonty Flock, 36.23
28. Jeff Burton, 35.31
29. James Hylton, 35.22
30. Kurt Busch, 34.91
31. Ricky Rudd, 33.77
32. Curtis Turner, 33.56
33. Junior Johnson, 33.16
34. Sterling Marlin, 31.51
35. Dale Earnhardt Jr., 30.61
36. Davey Allison, 30.29
37. Speedy Thompson, 28.54
38. Dave Marcis, 26.25
39. Jim Paschal, 25.79
40. Ken Schrader, 24.63
41. Buddy Baker, 23.88
42. Ryan Newman, 23.73
43. Ernie Irvan, 23.47

Sunday, February 03, 2008

The ultimate NASCAR race


I'm no gearhead -- I haven't watched a race for more than two minutes in 20 years -- but I keep up with the sport through Sports Illustrated and obviously NASCAR is as major a league as there is in the United States.

With the end of the football season tonight, the next big event on the U.S. calendar is the Daytona 500 so tonight I'll present my ultimate NASCAR race. Racers one through 43, just like the starting Daytona grid.

I based the system a bit on golf but customized it a bit to fit with the Chase in that the top 12 drivers received points. Winning the Grand National or Winston or Nextel Cup was worth 20 points. Second place was 11, third eight 10, etc.

A driver received a bonus point for every race won during the season. And the top three drivers in the Daytona 500 received points as well. The winner received five, second received two and third place was worth one.

I totaled all three to give a driver a yearly score and then ranked drivers based on their best three year, six year, 10 year and career totals.

Let's break down a driver to show how it works. How about Bill Elliott.

Elliott's best year -- in my system -- was 1985 when he finished second in the Winston Cup, won the Daytona 500 and 11 races overall. His score was 11 points for the season series, five for winning Daytona and 11 bonus points for wins (So winning Daytona actually amounts to six points). That's 27 points.

His second best year was 1992 when he actually won the Winston Cup. He got 20 points for that, but he was not in the top three at Daytona and won just five races so his yearly score was 25.

In 1987, he was again second in the Cup, won Daytona and six races for a score of 22.

To figure his top three year score, I added 27, 25 and 22 and divided by three for a score of 24.67. I took his top six scores and divided by that number for that total and the same with 10.

For the career score, I took all of the points he scored in 18 seasons -- 181 -- and divided it by 27. Why 27? That's the number of seasons Richard Petty scored at least one point in my system so he's the one to be measured against.

To reach a final score, I added the 3-year, 6-year, 10-year and career rankings together for a total.

Then I made one little adjustment. Richard Petty's 200 wins were off the charts, but when you look back at NASCAR's season, the King's numbers are a bit inflated. Before 1955, the season had on average about 29 races a season. From 1955 through 1971, NASCAR was running numerous mid-week races to generate cash for the drivers. In that time, the average number of races included in the Cup was just under 50.

In 1972, NASCAR scaled back on the schedule to where between 28 and 36 races are run each year. Since drivers in the '60s had so many more opportunities to pick up bonus points, the wins from 1955 through 1971 were worth 0.67 points.

That changed the standings slightly, but as you'll see the same driver finished on top with or without the adjustment.

So with Daytona two weeks away, here would be the all-time field in an ultimate Daytona 500.

Pole pos., Racer, Years, Total
1. Richard Petty, 1959-1987, 119.68
2. Dale Earnhardt, 1979-2000, 92.16
3. Cale Yarborough, 1965-1985, 86.59
4. Darell Waltrip, 1975-1994, 84.33
5. Jeff Gordon, 1994-2007, 80.00
6. David Pearson, 1961-1980, 76.66
7. Bobby Allison, 1966-1988, 72.36
8. Lee Petty, 1949-1961, 67.11
9. Bill Elliott, 1983-2003, 66.64
10. Herb Thomas, 1950-1956, 65.13
11. Jimmie Johnson, 2002-2007, 61.87
12. Dale Jarrett, 1991-2005, 60.94
13. Buck Baker, 1952-1964, 58.67
14. Ned Jarrett, 1959-1965, 57.72
15. Tim Flock, 1949-1956, 57.47
16. Tony Stewart, 1999-2007, 52.00
17. Terry Labonte, 1979-2003, 50.50
18. Mark Martin, 1989-2007, 49.90
19. Benny Parsons, 1970-1987, 49.75
20. Joe Weatherly, 1958-1963, 42.90
21. Bobby Labonte, 1995-2003, 41.53
22. Bobby Isaac, 1964-1973, 39.26
23. Rex White, 1958-1963, 38.27
24. Fireball Roberts, 1950-1964, 38.00
25. Matt Kenseth, 2000-2007, 37.37
26. Harry Gant, 1980-1992, 36.29
27. Fonty Flock, 1949-1956, 36.23
28. Jeff Burton, 1997-2007, 35.31
29. James Hylton, 1966-1977, 35.22
30. Kurt Busch, 2002-2007, 34.47
31. Ricky Rudd, 1979-2002, 33.77
32. Curtis Turner, 1949-1965, 33.56
33. Junior Johnson, 1955-1965, 33.16
34. Sterling Marlin, 1987-2002, 31.51
35. Dale Earnhardt Jr., 2000-2006, 30.61
36. Davey Allison, 1987-1993, 30.29
37. Speedy Thompson, 1953-1960, 28.54
38. Dave Marcis, 1970-1984, 26.25
39. Jim Paschal, 1953-1967, 25.79
40. Ken Schrader, 1987-1998, 24.63
41. Buddy Baker, 1965-1983, 23.88
42. Ernie Irvan, 1990-1997, 23.47
43. Kevin Harvick, 2001-2007, 23.42

A couple of names you don't see on this list are A.J. Foyt and Mario Andretti. Foyt won a Daytona 500 but neither he nor Andretti spent much time in NASCAR. Foyt won four Indy 500s and a 24 Hours at LeMans in open wheel while Andretti is the last U.S. driver to win the Formula 1 title.

Personally, I'm biased because I grew up when Foyt was winning his last Indy races but I don't see how he can't be the best U.S. born driver ever.

But this is a NASCAR ranking. I'm working on a worldwide all-time ranking I hope to have done by the end of the Daytona 500. So if you're a racing fan, check back then.